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Oct 1997 Webrene1@aol.com
PA. MAGAZINE VOL.15 PAGE 103
DR. NOEL .. PRINCIPAL SURGEON IN ARMY UNDER GEN. WASHINGTON.
PA. MAGAZINE VOL. 45 PAGE 113
"JOURNAL OF COL. JOHN MAY, OF BOSTON 1789"
"TUES., 19TH. HAVING ARISEN AT 5, WE PRESSED ON OUR JOURNEY. BREAKFASTED AT THE FOOT OF LAUREL MOUNTAIN, AT THE HOUSE OF ONE S____'s ? WHERE EVERYTHING WAS SO SLUTTISH, THAT MY APPETITE WAS NOT KEEN ENOUGH TO OVERCOME THE DISGUST. THESE MOUNTAINOUS REGIONS STILL FULL OF THE CHILL OF WINTER. THERE WAS CONSIDERABLE FROST LAST NIGHT, AND I RODE ALL THE MORNING IN MY "CANTSLOPER". PUT UP AT NOEL'S WHERE WE SLEPT TOLERABLY, LTHOUGH THERE WERE 8 PERSONS IN THE SAME ROOM". (THIS GUY WAS TRAVELING FROM BOSTON TO MARIETTA.)
"HISTORICAL REGISTER OF VIRGINIANS IN THE REVOLUTION"
NOEL, ACHILLES (NOWELL) INF., NBLL
NOEL, JOHN ENSIGN, CUMB.MIL.REC. AUG.25,1777
NOEL, JOHN CADET 4 CL FEB.1, 1777 ENSIGN APR.14,1777 RESIGNED APR.3, 1778
ALSO APPEARS JOHN Y. ENSIGN 4 CL, E
NOEL, NICHOLAS SGT., WD
NOEL, TAYLOR GARRARD CTY. KY., MPL
NOEL, THOMAS GALLATIN CTY. KY., MPL
NOELL, JAMES E
NOELL, RICHARD SGT., WD
BY: JOHN H. GWATHMAY
"VA. MILITIA IN THE REVOLUTION"
JOHN NOEL, ENSIGN, RESIGNED AUG.25, 1777
UNDER R. ALLEN (SEE ABOVE)
THERE WERE ALSO IN THE MARYLAND ARCHIVES VOLUMES
CAPT. EDWARD NOEL
EDWARD NOEL JR.
SOME WERE GETTING PAID TO: TRANSPORT TROOPS BY BOAT, MOUNT GUNS ON BOATS
EMANUEL NOEL (SON OF JOACHIM) WAS A TEAMSTER WITH THE V CORPS AFTER BEING PAROLLED AT WEST CHESTER PA. (REMEMBER HE WAS CAPTURED THE FIRST DAY AT GETTYSBURG. (THE 11TH INF. LOST APPROX. 60% IN KILLED, WOUNDED AND MISSING THE FIRST DAY AT OAK RIDGE (THEY ALSO HELPED CAPTURE 500 NC PRIONERS IN THE SAME EXCHANGE) THIS WAS THE ACTION WHERE GEN. REYNOLDS WAS KILLED.
YOU SHOW JOHN P. NOEL'S WEDDING IN 1865. (HE WAS A CORPORAL IN
19 Oct 1997 Webrene1@aol.com
1850 census (Westmoreland)
Charles Brogan 28
Joachim Noel 41
Blasius Noel 40
Mary (Brogan) 43
Sylvester (Pvt.Co.K,11thPa) 9m.Ellen
John P.(Cpl.Co.C, 11th Pa.) 5
1860 census (Westmoreland)
Joachim Noel 47 Maryland
Mary Jane 7
Emanuel(Pvt.Co.K,11th Pa.)21 (mg.Margaret Logsdon St Vincent, Rev.P.Aggatho 3/17/1864)
(mg.Rec.Shows Parents as Joachim Noel&Eleanora Chrity)
(dth.Rec. " " " " " "Ellen Brogan )
1870 census (Westmoreland)
Joachim Noel 59 Pa.?(see above)
Ellen (?) 57 (see note above for Emanuel)
Anne E. 22
Demetrius A. 20
Mary J. 17
Eaton, Marye ? 6
1880 census (Westmoreland)
Mary Noel (Brogan) 68
Plotsey(Placidus) 25 (My Great-Grand-Father)
19 Oct 1997 Webrene1@aol.com
From the index of the "FIRST CENSUS OF THE UNITED STATES"
20 Oct 1997 Webrene1@aol.com
Correction, I should have shown Placidus Noel as 1854-1944 not 1854-1880.
I looked at everything I have on hand and the only thing I can
up with on Grundy is as follows. "1840 CENSUS AND INDEX TUSCARAWAS
22 Oct 1997 Webrene1@aol.com
Private Blasius Noel 7th Battalion, York County Militia Commander: Col. David Kennedy, Capt. Peter Zollinger's Company
Wm. Speace 1790 York County Census
23 Oct 1997 Webrene1@aol.com
Vol.II 6TH Series reviewed pg.417-706 only York County
Capt. Henry Moore's Payroll Aug.20-Sept.20 1781
John Noel Page 636
John Nowel Page 693 (7 mos.)
John Noell Page 523 made his mark (X) 1780 oath.
Capt. Wm.Dodds Payroll
Capt. John Myers Co.
"Blossy" and Mary's head stones are shown on D.N.'s page at St. V.'s I have her dad' Charles Brogan Sr.'s "estate" settlement.
Charles was born 1761 in Ireland. In his last days, he lived with Blasius Noel and Mary. J.P.Noel , your great grandpap was 5' 5" tall,.dark hair, dark eyes. He weighed about 160 pounds so I get the feeling he was "sturdy" although he did suffer all his life apparently with C.W. problems. Again, I think most of them did, by the records I have on them. Sylvester, died from his C.W. ailments about 1873? J.P.'s brother. J.P. states in his record that he knows how old he is because his parents recorded it in their Bible. (He ID's them as Blausius and Mary) His sister "The Murphy one I think it was" she says she knew how old he was because she was "8" when he was born !!! "take that eh!" At the 11th regiments monument at Gettysburg,(see DN's page)
at the foot of the soldier there is their mascot's statue "Sally, the war dog" When I snapped that picture, people were still leaving biscuits and bones for the dog. One bone had a note on it "Sally, for a job well done". She had about 6 litters of pups during the war, and Lincoln actually met her twice. She got lost after the Gettysburg scrap and they found her with her dead troops that had got overrun the first day. (Emanuel Noel, J.P. and Sylvester's cousin was captured that day.) Neither J.P. nor Sylvester made it to the Gettysburg battle. The only one that has any details in J.P.'s file, is Rose C. Noel, she cared for J.P. faithfully in his last days.
1 Nov 1997 <Webrene1@aol.com>
Ebeneezer's diary was timely, ties in nicely with this weeks library trip:
1.)Casper Noel (x) his mark, signed over two mo.'s pay to Jacob Winter for satisfactory services received. (page 779 of Vol. II, 6th Series Pa. Archives)
2.)Capt. Foreman's Co. Page 813 Casper Nowell ,Oct.10, 1781 (Don't know where they were at the time, but ties in with Ebeneezer's dates.)
3.)Casper Nowel Page 815 ? 1781
4.)Jacob Noel 1780 Muster page 836.............."prest-sick."
5.)Capt. McClelan's Co. Pvt. Jacob Noel page 852 (7 mos.) 1780.
Vol.xxiv page 418
Peter Grundy Lancaster Cty. 150 acres March 15 1749
Vol. xi page 198
Robert Grundy Chester Cty. 1 horse, 2 Cattle 1766
Vol. xi page 350
Robert Grundy Chester Cty. 1 Cattle 1767
Numerous Brogan's listed.
Got a tip on my "Elizabeth McCave" married 1857 Mahoning, Ohio. Also an 1806 tip from a girl in Indiana County Pa. on "Libengood", Placidus Noel's wifes name. She was from there.
14 Nov 1997 Webrene1@aol.com
"Pa Archives" 3rd Series Vol. xii
Page 403 James BROGAN.."Inmate" Chester County, Londonderry.....1781
" 528 " " " " " " "
" 735 " " Tax 1 .7 .1 " " " 1785
Page 769 Michael Brogan Tax 10 .0 " " New London Twp. 1785
John Brogan ...Chester County...East Marlboro........1779.."Inmate"...page 206
" " " " Upper Providence 1780 " " 339
" "(shoemaker) " " East Marlboro........ 1781 " " 466
" " " "
.............................1781 Tax 14 .0 " 532 " " " "
.............................1785 Tax 3 .9 " 744
Vol. 17 page 630
John Brogan..Lancaster County..2 horses..1 cattle....1779
Vol. 4 7th Series "Index" has all the "Noels" listed...Pages 2377&2378 this is the index for the 6th series.
Seems to be 3 listings for tax payers 1)payers 2)"Inmates" 3)freemen Don't know what "Inmates" means?
It's interesting that John Brogan is listed as a "Shoemaker", since the civil war troops' shoes were known as "Brogans".
Wed, 31 Dec 1997 RENEWEB1 <Webrene1@aol.com>
After reviewing the "STORM" tree, I came to the conclusion that Sylvester Noel of the 11th Pa. Inf. in the Civil War (Son of Blasius and brother of Placidus NOEL) should have got at least an honorable mention as the first husband of Ellen STORM shown as married to Brady McCullogh, since she was the recipient of Sylvester's pension after Brady died. (Sylvester isn't mentioned at all). Sylvester died June 5th 1871 from disease contracted during the war. Brady died 4th of July 1908
Ellen (STORM)(NOEL) McCullogh died March 20th 1939
13 Jan 1998 22:50:23 EST <Webrene1@aol.com>
1. Mary Griffiths m. William Prosser 22 April 1867 Merthyr Tydfil, Glamorgan Co., Wales My gg-grandparents
2. Mary's Parents: Griffith Griffiths m. Ann Thomas 18 Aug. 1849
3. Williams Parents: John Prosser m. Tabitha Llewelyn, Wales
4. Griffith Griffiths Parents: Moses Griffiths m. ???
5. Ann Thomas' Parents: Lewis Thomas m. Hannah Morris 27 Dec.1814, Wales
24 Jan 1998 <Webrene1@aol.com>
Westmoreland in 1825
BROGAN, Charles Der
BROGAN, John Der
1790 Heads of Families- Chester Co. Pa.
1790 Heads of Families- Cumberland Co. Pa.
St. Vincent Baptisms 1800-1846
Various Tax records of Chester County for the years
"My Family Connections" Volumn II THE BROGANS by Ruth Williams
Letters to Waterman from Gregory Lindes descended from Alice
(he has a
Letters from B.B.O'Keefe back in 1985 stating "welcome to the
Letter from a Naida Glick stating her take on all of the BROGANS she knows.
Page from the 1955 year book of the Pa. Soc. of S.A.R. (Index
Genealogy Charts of Ch. BROGAN Sr. wife and kids showing where buried etc.
Father Peter Helbron's Greensburg Pa. Registers (1 page)
The NOEL's listed:
4 Feb 1998 Webrene1@aol.com
Sylvester Noel married a Ellen Storm in the Civil War era, Sylvester died young as a result of disease picked up during the war. He was my gr-grandfather Placidus (Plotsey) Noel's brother. This is fun just reading the names, "aint" it.NOEL's and LOGSDON's must have been pretty close because a SAMUEL LOGSDON and Sylvester's brother John P. NOEL witnessed the signature of Ellen as the claimant for his pension when Sylvester died.
Emanuel NOEL (Sylvester's cousin) married a Margaret A. LOGSDON daughter of Raphael LOGSDON and Rebecca nee MATTINGLY of Westmoreland County, Pa. Witnesses were Sylvester J. NOEL and Mathilda Anna HENRY. Taken from the Matrimonial Records of St. Vincent's Abbey Church and as included in Emanuel's Civil War records.
Sylvester and Emanuel NOEL were both in the 11th Pa. Vol. Inf.
in the Civil War, Sylvester was released due to illness from which he
fully recovered, and Emanuel was a "veteran" (more than one
Emanuel was captured during the first day of battle at Gettysburg and
same time frame. These people were all members of St. Vincents in
Pa.(Their ancestors helped build the place.) My guess is that they
from Adams County Pa. and Maryland to Westmoreland County together.(not
entirely a guess!, some proof) In closing this e-mail, the "Maryland
Society" has a history of the LOGSDON family which may be viewed by the
public in their files, and I've been saying for a while now, that I'd
to read that. They go way back in Maryland.
04 Feb 1998 Carol McKellar <email@example.com>
Without locales and dates it is difficult to say if my line of Speas/Spiess/Speiss/Spiece/Speece/Speace, etc., is connected to your line or not. However, I must say, I have not seen this spelling of your SPEASS before. This is not to say that there is not a connection.
My line was in PA and migrated to Ontario, Canada. Think they were first in the Haldimad (not sure of spelling) and then to the York Co. Markham area of Ontario.
They came to Michigan circa 1838 and settled in the Shiawassee
5 Feb 1998 Webrene1@aol.com
From German Pioneers by Strassberger? I think?
Foreigners imported in the ship Phoenix, John Mason, Captain, from Rotterdam, but last from Cowes. August 28, 1750..339 passengers.
Hans Jacob Liebengut
Hans Jacob Liebengutt, Jun. (Could this be the Lieutenant?)
Beder (Peter) Liebengut
List of mens names imported in the ship Halifax, Thomas
from Rotterdam & Plymouth. October 20th 1754.
The foreigners whose names are underwritten, imported in the ship Halifax, Capt. Thomas Coatam, from Rotterdam but last from Plymouth, did this day take the usual Qualifications to the Government. 10 Roman Catholicks. No.102. Souls 370. Whole Freight 280. From Wirtenberg, Hesse, Franconia, & the Palatinate. Hans Frit Livenguth
Palatines imported in the ship St. Andrew Galley, John
from Rotterdam. Qualified Sept., 26, 1737.
Christian Leibenguth w. Maria Magdalena
Mar 1998 1 <Webrene1@aol.com>
Vol.2 Abstract's of So. Cent. Pa. Newspapers 1791-1795 Page 1 (1791)
Estate late of William BRACKENRIDGE, decd., improvement and tract in Manallen Twp., with saw-mill and oil-mill, 100 a., adj. lands of Peter STRASSBACH, Daniel NOEL.
Page 61 Same description dated 1792
Page 117 (1798)
Page 79 (1796)
17 Apr 1998 <Webrene1@aol.com>
St. Michael's, Loretto, page 69 Noel (continued)
John, of John and Mary, b. 1 April, 1828, d. 29 August, 1885
I wonder if the John, father of John above is the same John Sr. that was paid $23.93 on Feb. 17th, 1851 at the estate settlement of Charles Brogan Sr.??? and is that Mary Magdalene Grundy Storm shown above?
In short, is this John, the dad of Blasius(1814-1878)? Is Jr.
Abraham, b. 1788, d. 23 May, 1876
Simon, m. Mary Ann (Margaret) -----, c: Anthony James, John Henry (1832-1834)
Peter m. Catherine Hoak 20 Dec. 1829
Those wills for Isaac, Nicholas and "Blausius" are in the Pa.
pages of the USGENWEB Project.
18 Apr 1998 <Webrene1@aol.com>
Nick and Mary (Pollock) Noel had a kid named Abraham G. Noel, born 1785 in Paradise Twp. Adams County Pa.
I found a George, a Francis and a Susan NOEL in some of the Carroll County Catholic Cemetery's last night. I also spotted an Abraham NULL with a long list of relatives buried in one of the non-Catholic cemeteries there. I didn't check out the ignificance of these folk yet though. There are a lot of familiar names planted there. I found them in the USGENWEB Project for Maryland by going through a link off of those Pa. County pages I've been looking through. I got those pictures in the mail today.
25 Apr 1998 <Webrene1@aol.com>
"Ellen McCullough of Newville, Pa., being first sworn according to law, deposes and says that on Oct. 14, 1869, she was married to Sylvester J. Noel, the soldier named above, and lived with him continuously from the date of their marriage until his death on June 5, 1871; that on Sept. 26, 1877, she married Brady McCullough at the First Reformed Church, Greensburg, Pa; that at the time of this marriage no license or public record was required; that a letter was addressed to the Pastor of the said Church at Greensburg, Pa., asking for a certified copy of the marriage record, but a reply to this letter, a copy of which is attached, states that no such record is found; that the laws of Pa. requiring licenses and public records of marriages were not then in existence and were not passed until about 1895; affiant further states that she lived with the said Brady McCullough from the date of their marriage until his death on July 4th, 1908, and that she and the said Brady McCullough lived together continuously from their marriage until his death in 1908 at their farm near Newville, Pa., where affiant has resided continuously since the said Brady McCullough's death. Signed, Ellen McCullough
Subscribed and sworn to before me, a Justice of the peace in and for the above named county and state,(Cumberland Co., Pa.) this 19th of July, 1929 John L.Boyer"
"She was married under the name of Ellen Storm to said Sylvester J. Noel on the 5th day of October 1869 by the Rev. Edward Burns, a Catholic Clergyman at St.Augustine Church in Cambria County, Pa." "Sylvester left surviving no minor child by either herself or any former wife".
Other affidavit's signed by:
The above is an example of the"crap" they had to go through to get a pension check.
Surnames on my dad's side so far are:
On me mum's side you have your:
7 May 1998 <Webrene1@aol.com>
Hans Gerhard KAA was the father of Paulus GAA, the father of Anna Barbara GAH, the wife of Christian STURM, the father of Johannes (John) Storm, the father of Mary Magdalene STORM, wife of John NOEL, son and father of the Blasius NOEL'S of Maryland and Westmoreland Counties respectively..........or so I'm told on the web.
"KIN OF MY GRANDCHILDREN", VOL.1 AND 2 STORM/ARNOLD" BY
K. LITTELL, 1219
"KINFOLK IN GERMANY-KINFOLK IN MARYLAND, THE KLEIN
OR: Ancestors of Cherish Pamela Deaver
I just got off the phone (941-471-9387) with Judge Noble K.
author of " Kin of my Grand-children" Vol.1 Storm/Arnold. 30 bucks post
paid, so I sent him a check.
9 May 1998 <Webrene1@aol.com>
Corporal John P. NOEL of the 11th Pa. Volunteer Inf. Reg. (Oldest of the Pa.Regt's.) was one of Blasius (1814-1878) NOEL's boys, along with Sylvester, David and Placidus. He was best man at Sylvester and Ellen (STORM) NOEL's wedding.
From the civil war records of Sylvester NOEL.
10 May 1998 <Webrene1@aol.com>
NOEL, Jacob P. d/19 Aug. 1872 @ 45y ---Willie Kerr(Wife) d/19 Aug. 1879 @ 50y Westminster Cemetery Carrol County Md.
16 May 1998 <Webrene1@aol.com>
I got that "Bulletin of Old Tryon County", Vol. XXIII, February 1995, Number 1 today.
Article: "The Search for Michael Tanner" by
Miles S. Philbeck
Cost, $4.00 plus $1.24 postage.
The Genealogy Society of Old Tryon County
Great article and it includes photo copies of Tanner vital
Germany, Wills and etc.
17 May 1998 <Webrene1@aol.com>
1) Blaze (Blasius Noel) had no connection with the Storm's (married a SPIES) yet they lived close by (Troublesome Job). J.S. sold parts of this at different times, Blossy probably bought some.
2) Blaze is listed (count em) three times in John Storms will, he either owes John, or John owes him, I haven't figured it out yet. (the language used).
3) There is a John NOLL/or NULL also listed I forget which, with the same situation as 2) above. (Blossy is also spelled three different ways in the will.)
4) John NOEL is the only real connection with the STORM's via Mary Maggie.
5) M.M. received a 5th share of J.S.'s land in Huntington County Pa. along with a sizable chunk of cash.
In short, it just appears to me that the NOEL's and STORM'S were a pretty close knit bunch and they were probably still in Md., when J.S. died in 1805 and even later. The final accounting of J.S.' will wasn't until after Elizabeth died about 1815.
Note also, that John Storm is buried at the Conewago Chapel
19 May 1998 <Webrene1@aol.com>
1) I have an 1860 census record that states Joachim was born in Maryland, and we already know he was born in 1812. Census lists him as 47 years old.
2) I don't know right off where Blasius of 1814 was born but am starting to think it was Maryland also.
3) Also don't know where the other two of JOHN NOEL's kids were born?
Note that John STORM mentions his property in "HUNTINGTON"
county was formed from Huntington and others in 1804, after John STORM
wrote his will thus my theory is that his property was actually in what
is now CAMBRIA County. And since JOACHIM is listed in the 1860 census
born in MARYLAND, I suspect that JOHN NOEL didn't leave MARYLAND with
kids until after his Mum Elizabeth died in 1815 or later??
21 May 1998 <Webrene1@aol.com>
I got BLOSSY'S will in the mail today, and not once is he
as BLOSSY or BLOSS, just the proper BLASIUS.
2 Jun 1998 Webrene1@aol.com
In the name of God Amen I Paul Andriss of Frederick County being mindful of the shortness of human life but being of sound and disposing mind memory and understanding do make and ordain this my last will and testament in manner and form following. Imprimis after any just debts and funeral charges are paid & discharged I give and bequeath to my wife Charaty Andriss all the remainder of my property both real and personal to her, her heirs or assigns forever. And lastly I do ordain
constitute and appoint my wife Charaty Andriss whole and sole executrix of this my last will & testament hereby revoking all forms wills by me made and declaring this and none other to be my last will and testament. In witness whereof I have hereunto set my mark and seal this twenty fifth day of October Eighteen hundred and four. Signed Sealed Published and Promised by the testator his to be his last will & testament in the presence of us Paul V Andriss who in his presence and at his request and in the presence mark of each other have hereunto subscribed our names as witness
Joseph Gordon Tho.s Todd Zneris? G. Himmel?
Hey, Wolf left his 3 boys, "three pairs of buckskin breeches"
I wore". If that doesn't take ya back to those days, noth'n will
9 Jun 1998 Webrene1@aol.com
I just got the "FREDERICK COUNTY WILLS 1744-1946" book in the mail today. Thats what I wanted to tell you, if we can find out the name of Christopher SPEASS' wifes, guess what? We have then found Peter's wifes name! It was Christopher SPEASS, son of Wolfgang, brother of Mary Ann(Wife of BLOSSY) that married Margaret NOEL after Peter/Pierre died. Christopher and Blossy were co-executors of Wolfgangs will.
10 Jun 1998 Webrene1@aol.com
Blasius Noel names his wife Mary, (she is definitely BROGAN) They had:
John P. NOEL CPL. 11th Pa vol.inf. reg.
Sylvester is not named since he died of disease contracted in the civil war in about 1870 or 71 (He was married to Ellen STORM) he also was in the 11th Pa.Vol.'s
Elizabeth (married Samuel LOGSDON)
Placidus (married Anise America Libengood)
Agnes (married James Murphy) she received plot of land #5 Note that Agnes is written in the margin of the will here by
someone??? In the will writeup, he refers to "My daughter intermarried with James Murphy" Later, "I do give unto my daughter NANCY the right of way through Plot#4 along the Burkholder line to the public road".
Based on the above, I think it's safe to assume that Nancy and
are one and the same.
12 Jul 1998 Webrene1@aol.com
I found a Joseph NOEL buried at Conewago Basilica in 1847, (I think that's the date),
3 Sep 1998 Webrene1@aol.com
Peter LEIBENGUTH Journals Pa. German Church Records 3 vol's
Pa. German Pioneers by Strassburger 3 vol's. (Includes their signatures)
History of Adams County
History of York County
Pa. Records Bedford County
Pioneers of Old Monocacy Early Settlement of Frederick County 1721-1743
Ohio Valley Genealogies
Several Mennonite periodicals that reference LEIBENGUTH's (good stuff)
There was a John C. "bella hans" LEIBENGUTH who's wagon wheels and runninggear are still kept at one of the Historical Museums, maybe Somerset Co.?? It seems that they used to have bells on their wagons, and if they got in trouble along the highway, and needed help, they had to turn over their bells to the wagoneer that helped them out. Thus the origin of the phrase "I'll be there with bells on". In the case of John C., the kids would hear his bells ring in the distance and would come running in the house shouting "Do komt der bella hans". Peter Leibenguth supposedly was the first to bring a Conestoga Wagon west of
the mountains, and his daughter Elizabeth was the second born in Somerset Co. or so the legends say? I don't know of any connection yet to these folk though? (He was a Swiss chap) These books, I either have, or they're on the way!
5 Sep 1998 Look'n through another page on Pa. troops in the civil war (78th reg.), their chaplain was a Roman Catholic Priest named Richard C. CHRISTY, which the troops (protestant mostly) resented, but soon changed their minds after they got to know him. The page had his portrait and also some of the troops' portraits. (Joachim NOEL married a CHRISTY!).
The John C. "bella hans" LIVENGOOD's wagon wheels and running gear are located in the Spring, Pa. historical society.
I recently snapped a picture of Johanes Storm's tombstone at
Heart Basilica at Conewago, McSherrytown, Pa. He was married to Maria
Tanner their daughter Mary Magdalene Storm married John Noel, son of
From the records that we have, from parish records in Klein
Rheinland-Pfalz, Germany, Johannes was baptized there. Sonsors
From the headstone his birth has be calculated at 21 jan 1723
the parrish records his christening 31 jan 1723. I would say this
is strong evidence that these are the same person.
13 Sep 1998 Webrene1@aol.com
John Storm's oldest brother Johan Jacob Sturm and his sister (married to Johan Jacob Brunner) came over on the ship "Mortonhouse" in 1728. Later, the rest of their families came over including Johannes Sturm (after he grew up!) and
Joseph Brunner, the father of the above Johan Jacob Brunner. With that in mind, take a look at the following URL, it's a good one. It's got me all the way back to ~1600 with Sebastian Sturm and his bride "Fraulein Closs".
30 Sep 1998 Webrene1@aol.com
I have a Pete NOEL that married a "Miss Dull who died leaving ten married children" Jacob, Samuel, Peter, Henry, Bernard, Louis, Gerome, George, Elizabeth and Margaret. By his second marriage, with Elizabeth, daughter of Nicholas NOEL, he had one son and several daughters.
I have a Pius NOEL, a son of Peter R. and Lydia A (Clunk) NOEL 12 kids.......etc.etc.
Peter NOEL 1868 and Peter NOEL 1882 both buried in "Conewago Chapel-yard.
PIUS AND PETER ABOVE, HAVE A PAGE OF HISTORY TO GO WITH EACH, LOCATED IN:
"HISTORY OF ADAMS COUNTY, PENNSYLVANIA" 1992 REPRINT OF 1886
30 Sep 1998 Webrene1@aol.com
I got Henry LIVENGOOD's civil war papers the other day, the problem is he was only 18 1/2 yr's old when he enlisted, I needed someone more in the range of about 50 or 51 yr's old in 1865. All I know for sure is this one enlisted at Greensburg and had a younger brother C.C.LIVENGOOD, and a wife Nancy Jane (Walker) LIVENGOOD.??
9 Oct 1998 Webrene1@aol.com
Did I tell you there is a Wolffgang and a Catherine ? Spies that had a daughter Anna Magdalena baptized in 1746 at St. Paul's, Bally, Goshenhoppen, Berks County, Pa. Sponsor was A. Bechtl. ?? I got that from B.B.O'keefe's compilation.
12 Oct 1998 Webrene1@aol.com
I went into B.B.O'Keefe's surname page the other night and plugged in LIVENGOOD to search on and a slew of them popped up, NOEL,STORM,SPIES,TANNER,DURBIN,LOGSDON etc. Reading the above pages, took me through the LIVENGOODS and complete circle from Fayette and Greene and Washington Counties, Pa. back to Frederick County,
Md. by way of a common connection with the HUFFMAN/HOFFMAN line.Seems a HUFFMAN was married to Johannes BRUNNER (these were intermarried with STORM lines) and these same HUFFMAN's had property in the middle of TASKER's Choice/Chance also. Tasker's was the original DULANEY purchase which formed and was divided up among many BRUNNER'S,STORMS',HUFFMAN'S etc. and is presently the town of FREDERICK. Some of the DURBIN's were the originals that came over with Lord Baltimore, and some were Catholic's as was Baltimore, if I remember the Durbin page
15 Oct 1998 Webrene1@aol.com
Found this one in the special collections on that MD. Page I sent you.
Noel, Elizabeth [Mrs.] Burial: Oct. 3, 1794
Source: Special Collections (Great Choptank Parish Collection)
Parish Register 1790-1829, 1838-1885, p.182 [MSA SC 2505 M680]
19 Oct 1998 Sue Bosevich" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
I have very limited info on Henry Leibenguth - and I don't think he is the same one as you mention (perhaps your Henry's father?).
I have: Henry Leibenguth (b. circa 1776, d ?), son of George Leibenguth (b. 1741 in Pa., died 1814). married Catherine George. Lived in Derry Twp., Westmoreland Co. Pa.
Per Deed Release, 6 July 1837 at Northampton Co. Courthouse: Henry Leibengood of Derry Twp, Westmoreland Co. do acknowledge that Daniel and Philip Leibegood both of Lehigh Twp in Northampton Co Pa. The sum of $850. in full satisfaction for my share and portion due from the estate of my late father, George Leibenguth of Lehigh Twp.
Christopher b. 1796 Northampton Co.
Judy White email@example.com is the source of the marriage and the first 2 listed children.
The last two children are from an email from Kathy Zima (see below).
Northampton Co. Pa. tax records list a Henry Leibenguth
Twp during 1796 & 1797, owing .25 of tax for each year.
There is a Jacob Leibengut, single freeman owing 0.12.6 in tax - Lehigh Twp, 1786.
Most intriguing is form the book: Abstracts of Rev. War. pension Files by Virgil D. White. Vol. II, pub. 1991, National Historic Publishing Co, Waynsboro, TN. page 2077 :
Libengood, Jacob (Leibengod) Pa. Line b. 1756 in Northampton
Married Margaret Chambers on 15 March 1801 in Westmoreland Co. d. 6
1849 in Indiana Co. Pa. Lived with parents when he enlisted and
the War, then he moved to Westmoreland Co., then in 1812 he moved to
Co. Applied for pension on 27 Dec 1842. Widow applied on 17 nov 1854 in
Indiana Co. at age 73 and for BLW on June 12 1858 in Indiana Co. W8 253
In the Pa Archives Series 6 Vol 3: Class Roll of Cpt Friderich Kunss Co. Aprill 18, 1785: group 5 Jacob Leibengood group 6 George Leibengood
My take on all of this: The date of birth stated in the Rev. War pension records (1756) is incorrect (this would be a very common error - especially considering he would have been 94 yrs old when he died). I believe 1764 is the correct date. Jacob, lived with parents during and a short time after serving in the Rev. War along side his father, George. Jacob moved to Westmoreland Co soon after the War (probably late 1780's) where he married Margaret Chambers in 1801, then moved to Indiana Co. in 1812. Younger brother, Henry moved to Westmoreland Co. Pa. soon after Jacob did - perhaps buying Jacob's land(??).
I did some research over the internet and found the following:
1807 tax list, Conemaugh Twp, Indiana Co. Jacob Libengood, yeoman
Index 1820 census - Indiana Co. Jacob Livengood, Conemaugh Twp, (p 10)
Index 1830 census - Indiana Co. Jacob Libengood - Conemaugh
Jacob Libengood 40th P. Volunteers, 11th Reserves - Company E
on 21 June 1861 wounded in action discharged 17 Dec. 1862 (this is the
one you think might be your Henry's son)
28 Nov 1998 Webrene1@aol.com
I got Jacob Leibengood's papers and he is definintely Anise America Libengood's brother. He was shot above the ankle, again in the area of the knee on the other leg, and across the side of the head with the ball exiting his left ear, all in the same battle of "Gaines Mill". He was discharged on account of the wounds, but re-enlisted in the signal corps and again discharged in July 1865. Around 1907, the pension people questioned him on the spelling of his name, and made in return his pension
vouchers because of the mis-spelling "Libengood" which he stated should be "LEIBENGOOD". They were paying him twelve bucks a month at the time. Their own records show as follows: LEYBENGOOD, LEIBENGOOD, LEVENGOOD, LIVENGORD. LIVERGOOD, LIBENGOOD, LIEBENGOOD, LIVINGOOD etc.etc.
I expect John P. and Jonas NOEL'S papers any day now.
29 Nov 1998 Webrene1@aol.com
Be careful, Blasius of Md.'s daughter Mary Magdalene was married to a Lansinger, and Catherine to an Oboldt. Also, I think this Catherine is the same person as the mysterious Caty, Marilyn Waterman shows them as two distinct persons.
29 Nov 1998 Webrene1@aol.com
Marilyn states that Eliza Anne NOEL was raised by her grand parents John and Mary Maggie NOEL.
Joachim was born 1812 (my mistake), he married Mary A. Christe
wife) in 1832 in Lorretto, Cambria County. Thats the earliest date I
on him in the "west". According to Marilyn, John and Mary were also
their grand-children Emanuel and Cecilia along with Eliza Ann.
29 Nov 1998 Webrene1@aol.com
Christopher of Blossy, died in Wrightsville, Pa. in 1819, was married to Esther ? Info from "Conewago" page 51, "Noel Tree" page 2 and Harve's letter of Sept. 1990 above is from Marilyn's book. This may be the earliest date in the "west". Chris's 4 kids.....not named..... together were entitled to one adult share in Bloss's will.
1) Wrightsville is in York Co. where Rte.30 crosses the Susquehanna River. If this is where Christopher died in 1819, it supports a later move west by the lads.
2) Marilyn shows Joachim married Mary A. Christe on May 7, 1832 St. Vincent's Abbey Latrobe, not Lorretto, my mistake, this is in her book.
Marilyn also states that Blossy owned a freight hauling
MD., maybe Chris was working for him, and died "on the road"? (He was
while hauling Logs from a Newspaper account)
30 Nov 1998 Webrene1@aol.com
1)Wolfgang Speass ~1776 Will
2)Blasius Noel ~1762 Will
3)Blasius Noel 1814 Will
4)Joachim Noel 1812 Will
5)Michael Tanner 1776 Will
6)Johannes Storm ~1805 Will
7) Estate settlement of Charles Brogan Sr. (lotsa Noel's listed, ever "John Sr."
Note: The above wills include the "located/available" accountings
30 Nov 1998 1 <firstname.lastname@example.org>
1850 Census Derry Twp
NOEL, Joachim 41
m farmer PA
m farmer PA
NOLE/NOEL Alaysius 34 m labr PA
f PA living
(Jacob Noel's Kid)
m labr Ger
Mary Noel 70 f living with
* Cecelia Noel 13
PA living with
Cicely Noel 13
PA living with (Maybe the same girl)
3 Jan 1999 Webrene1@aol.com
NOEL, Peter (Son of Joseph)
Company `H' - 28th IA Infantry Wounded at Champino's Hill, Died of wounds 21 July 1863 at St. Louis
5 Jan 1999 Webrene1@aol.com
The Noel Family....pages 32 & 33 Question:
York County, Pa. 14 May 1822 Petition of Esther, widow of Christopher Noel. Jacob Rehman appointed guardian of children, all under age 14: Catherine, Eliza Ann. Mary, and William Noel.
The above would be the kids of Chris, mentioned in Blossy's will. Could this be the same Eliza Ann that married Charles Brogan Jr. and lived next door to some Brogan's in Westmoreland Co.
Marilyn's book questions "who were the parents of Eliza Ann Noel"? She states that she thought she was Joachim's daughter and was left out of his will due to Charles problems with the priest in Ohio.
The problem is she states that Eliza was born in 1833 which makes her pretty young for Charles who was in the Mexican War in 1846 and also the Civil War?? Also, I have no evidence that Joachim had a daughter Eliza Ann??
Summary: If Chris's daughter and Charles Jr's wife are the same person, it supports my theory of a later (>1822) move to Westmoreland County???? Could Chris's kids be some that my John cared for?? Remember that Christopher died in Wrightsville, York County in 1819. Could John have brought Chris's kids to Westmoreland County??
Looking further in Marilyn's book, she does state that Eliza Ann (Charles Brogan Jr's wife) was raised by her "grandparents" John and Mary Magdalene. But if she was Chris's kid, they would be her Aunt and Uncle. Do you have anything that shows that Joachim had a daughter Eliza Ann?? I don't.
1) John P. said in an affidavit that he knew he was born in
his Father and Mother, Blausius and Mary told him that's when he was
and he remembered it.No wonder he made Corporal huh.
13 Jan 1999 Webrene1@aol.com
John P. married Agnes Cecelia Ransil or Rancil Dec. 26th 1867 in Latrobe Pa. by Rev. Jerome Kearny (Was this St. V.'s??)....no remarriages and no divorce. Lived together for 48 years.
Rose C. took care of J.P. until he died and was buried at "Most Holy Sacrament Church" 412 North Main St., Greensburg, Pa. July 13, 1923.
John P. tended bar in Greensburg where he lived. Also was a hotel clerk.
The info in the Stevens page that he married Sarah Jane Mansfield is obviously wrong. ( there is an other John P Noel)
Note: There is an affidavit by an Alexander Moore that was
sent in from
McGREGOR, IOWA, Dec. 9, 1891 which was interesting.
13 Jan 1999 Webrene1@aol.com
Jonas married Lavina J. Nicely Feb. 28,1864 in Ligonier by D.S.Geeting Esq.
Nettie L. March 1866
Wm. H. May 30 1867
Harriet M. Nov. 2 1868 died
Amanda J. Feb. 28 1870
Rosean Dec 15 1871 died April 8, 1873
Edward J. April 4, 1873
Minta J. Sept. 11 1875
Barton (Berdie) B. Nov. 16 1877
Milton J.(Joseph M.) Nov. 18, 1879
Harry O. July 18, 1884.
Jonas had his front teeth kicked out by a mule at Antietam, Had two fingers broken when kicked by a horse. Note: Jonas was hostler for the Colonel at Headquarters. Jonas was a farmer all his life and had different people work for him and he also worked for other people. One of those he worked for was the grandfather of a guy that gave an affidavit. The grandfather also gave an affidavit and his name was Samuel Logsdon.
Jonas said he wound up in the hospital when he got his teeth
out "I was hurt, but not senseless". Said when he got up he ran away
the hospital and returned to his unit. Most of his affidavits refer to
him as "a little fellow". 5'4" 126 lb.
blue eyes (124 lb. when he died also)
There is a sister of J.P. in there named Murphy and another Murphy probably in-law that co-witnessed an affidavit.
Neither of these two could take care of themselves when they
both lived a long life!
14 Jan 1999 Webrene1@aol.com
I mighta been mistaken, since I went through their papers again and only saw first name Henry's. The one exception is that Sylvester Noel and Mathilda Anna Henry were witnesses at Emanuel Noel's wedding. Emanuel married Margaret Logsdon daughter of Raphael Logsdon. Raphael is probably either the son or brother of Samuel Logsdon that John P. Noel worked for at one time as stated in Sam's affidavit. That's all I saw on HENRY'S anyway.
Note: Both John P. and Jonas show in their physical's that
gun-shot wounds. I think there were probably a lot of these went
since neither one of them got any credit toward their pensions due to
wounds. For that matter, neither did Emanuel who got shot in the left
14 Jan 1999 Dominic <email@example.com>
I came across this again and this is the reason that I believe that John Noel who's wife was Petronilla and whose child was Mary b in Jan, bapt the 1st 1804; SP Simon Ruffner and Margaret Griffy was the same John of Derry.
Margaret Noel of Joseph and Margaret Noel, b 25 June, bapt 4 Sept 1809; Sponsors < Simon Ruffner and Margaret Griffy. >
John Noel and Mary Kuhn sponsored Peter Zindorff of George and Anna Zindorff, b 12 Oct, evidently of the preceding year, bapt 24 April 1803. Note! This John could be the son of Nicholas Noel both of whom went to Loretto. Although the Zindorff's interacted with all the Noel's.
Margaret Griffy/Griffin was the mother of Joseph Noel's wife. Patrick, her husband was alive in April 1805.
Nore! This John is still a mystery.
15 Jan 1999 Webrene1@aol.com
The only difference with John & Petronilla is that my stuff comes from BBO's compilation of the records of St. V.'s (Helbron registers). Hers only show a difference in the sponsor. It still doesn't show who this John is??
Maria Noel was baptized Aug.6th 1834 at Saint Simon & St.Jude in Blairsville. (Daughter of Joachim and Anna Criste "ink is faded and unclear") why did they do that? (ref. Harvey in Marilyn's book)
Susan's papers show that Blossy of MD. was in his 80's in the 1830 census which I don't think can be disputed, so we should probably throw out his 1762 b. date eh? He died 1832/3?
Did I send you the estate settlement of Charles Brogan Sr.?? Did you notice there is reference to a John Noel Sr. in there?? In the German tradition, there wouldn't have to be a father and son, this is just to distinguish an older one from any younger one!
Blossy's son Jacob b.ca 1792 was married to Barbara O'bold, daughter of Joseph O'bold. Marilyn's book. (Info. from "Conewage" page 51, "Noel Tree" page 2 and Harve's letter 1990. I believe it was Catherine that also md. an O'boldt
John P. Noel lived at: 318 Oakland Ave., Greensburg, Pa. So did his daughter Rose C. Noel when he died, the house is probably still there?? The priest' name at Most Holy Sacrament Church signed as Rev. Linus Brugger, Pastor
Mrs. Agnes F. Murphy (his sister) testified to his age, saying
it since she was 8 years old when he was born, and also from the Family
Register. There are also Ella J. Murphy and a Margaret Murphy sworn in
and witnessed. I believe we were in contact with a Murphy girl that
about Blasius a few months back, do you remember her?? I think she was
to have a very serious operation, and I haven't heard from her since??
Agnes Cecelia Noel nee "Ransil" died April 15th 1918 wife of J.P.Noel
April 13, 1923
16 Jan 1999 Webrene1@aol.com
These that I'm sending are only the ones that the priest had marked in red! I found an additional NOEL in thr process of sorting these out that he over looked. The pages he sent are by no means all of their records, just the surnames I asked for, you can tell this by the page numbers and let me say that he had to work to sort out what he sent me!
2) Blasius NOEL died 14th Aug. 1832 76 or 78 years old (looks like 78 to me??)
BIRTH'S & BAPTISM'S
Philip 11Feb 1807 Ignatius&Mary Winter ? Dec.1807 Peter&Cath. NOEL
Helena Aug. 1800 John&Elizabeth NOEL 20 Nov.1812 Cath.&Jacob NOEL
James NOEL 24 July 1816 Jacob&Susanna 3 Feb.1817 Mary Hardr...??
Henrietta Aug.1824 Daughter of Michael&Ann NOEL 21 Aug. Anthony & Ann Arnold
Ruina Emily 17July 1826 Michael&Ann NOEL 13 Aug. Elias Arnold & Benjamin Durbin
April 11th At Westminster Baptized William Francis son of
Rachel Fowler his wife. Sponsors Thos.B.Hause and Elizabeth Ann
Aug.20th At St. Joseph's Ch. Taneytown Baptized Jerome Louis son of Adam Oler & Mary NOEL his lawful wife. Sponsors David L. Wood? and Malinda Oler Born 28th of May 1854.
CONFIRMATION'S SEPT. 1818
2) P.NOEL Confirmed by The most Rev. Ambr. Marechal of Baltimore
3) Last day of April 1823 James NOEL
The most Rev. Ambrose Marechal of Baltimore
17 Jan 1999 Webrene1@aol.com
Nov. 19, 1833 Thomas Longmere married Susanna Risher/Fisher W. Warner (Tanneytown, MD)
17 Jan 1999 Webrene1@aol.com
All I know about that lot is that my Joe Weber was born 1855 in Hessen, notheast of Frankfurt am Main, came to the U.S. of A. in 1870. He was supposed to have written letters back and forth with his pap Henry Weber, spouse of Felicitas Stehling Weber. Was naturalized in 1871, and proceded making his thirteen kids. His wifes name was Theresa/Tarissa oldbach/Goldbaugh who was born also im vaterland, sprung from Bernet/Bernard Goldbach/Goldbaugh and Sophia Bott Goldbach/Goldbaugh. Was a laborer and a plummer's helper, I think he worked for his kids. By the way, I think "Uncle Lee"(NOEL) my grand-ma's brother of The Spanish American War fame was a plummer along with the rest of them. They belonged to St. Joseph's Church in Duquesne where I myself was baptized. I also have his picture. NOTE: There is a Felicitas Stehling in the familytreemaker all by herself listed on a CD.
18 Jan 1999 Webrene1@aol.com
I did a little of that triangulation and cross check'n and get this, Blossy and Mary Ann were sponsors for a John Waterson's kid at St.Joeseph's. John Waterson is also shown in John Storm's will. So I threw his name in the hat at familytreemaker and lo and behold, he shows up on the Mackey page in Blairesville, Indiana County, PA. Who is this masked man??
Jan 1999 Webrene1@aol.com
Fact 1) Pete Noel was 29 yr's old, the son of Joseph Noel and Maria Longmeyer, when he enlisted Aug 11th 1862 at Millersburg Iowa. Eyes blue, hair brown, complexion light, height 5'10" Born, Westmoreland Co, Pa.
Fact 2) Oct. 31, 62 Present
Wounded at Champion Hill May 16th by a minnie ball fracturing
and ulna of left arm.......Amputation performed at lower third May
When admitted in very low condition...Arm gangrenous...Suffering from
On a "U.S.Hospitals certificate for government undertakers"
Smither, Office, No.113 Chestmut, between 5th and 6th streets, St.
There are no pension files, just military and medical.
20 Jan 1999 22: Webrene1@aol.com
Another from the "boat" lines? (St. Joseph's, Tanneytown, MD records)
22 July 1826, Joseph Orey married Rebecca Konig....No witnesses! Note: (KONIG is witha umlaut)
I think I mighta found another Noel, "Francis, born 15 Feb.
Wm. & Ann, baptized 4 April 1817 Gossips
Francis Kristey? & Henry Spalding? Be careful, this
need further work, to be sure.
21 Jan 1999 Webrene1@aol.com
Francis Scott Key was also the son of John Ross Key a lietenant of Artillery that went to the defense of Boston at the beginning of the Rev. War and went on to be a famous general. He lived close to John Storm, and is referenced in John Storm's will. J.R.Key lived at "Terra Rubra" in MD.
Bernard Kaen/Haen/Kaes? married Charlotte
Note: These are only a fraction of the surnames that are in the said 24 pages!
Note: Don't know what "The first Tera ex his,qui fons erant" means??
Note: Confirmation was at twelve yrs. old when I was a kid.
Cofirmed the 17th of Sept. 1818 by the most Rev. Ambr.
of Baltimore. John Del'o' sponser: J.Adelsberg
Jan 1999 WMackey615@aol.com
In regard to Richard Weber's original question about John Waterson " Who is this masked man" He was from Conewago and married one of the Eck girls before moving west; there are some old pictures of this family in Helen Arkey's "Eck Family" book.
23 Jan 1999 Webrene1@aol.com
I found a M.Magdalene Storm daughter of Christopher and M.Ann Storm that died at age 4yrs. and 3 moths old, 7 August, 1815. (Storm page needs a little adjustment here)
1816, John Burke married Catherine Storm 25 August Witness's:
and George Mattingly. (Same here) Note that Catherine died at age 21 in
1819, the same year that Christopher Noel died in Wrightsville.
St. Joseph's R.C. Church, Taneytown, MD. "Storm surname information"
1811 John Ecknarot m. Elizabeth Adams 3 Sept.--Sus.Storm & John Eck
1818?John Burke m. Catherina Storm 25 Aug.--Ann Burke & George Mattingly
1820 Anthony Storm m. Ann Burke 18 Jan.--Catherina Walker & Michael Null
1826 April- Jacob Gouger m. Elizabeth Orendorff--Anthony Wivil & Margaret Storm
22 April 1828 Anthony Wivil m. Margaret Storm--Josiah Adelberg
6 Feb. 1833 John Classon m. Ann Storm--Francis Peters & G.McLester
Mary Ann 21 Feb.1812--Sebastian & Ester Adelsberg--bapt.4 March 1812 God-parents: Michael Adelberg & Cath. Storm
Rebecca 21 Aug.1815 Sebastian & Ester Adelsberg--bapt.18 Aug. God-parent Elizabeth Storm
Margaret Oct. 1825 Charley & Nariah Rosenstille--bapt.Oct. Godparent:Elizabeth Storm N-3???
Rebecca Ann 15 Feb.1823 Anthony&Ann Storm--bapt.1 Oct. God-parents:John&Mary Burke
Isaias 16 Feb. 1826 Anthony&Ann Storm--bapt.1 Oct. God-parents:Patrick Burke & Eliz. Storm
Elizabeth 23 Aug.1826 Michael&Sophia Grilley?--bapt.8 Sept.1826 God-parent:Elizabeth Storm
Sophia Christina 8 March 1828 Sophia & John Wivil--26 May 1828 God-parent:Mary Ann Storm
Catherina Rebecca 11 Sept.1840 Anthony&Margaret Wivil 15 Sept.1840 God-parent:Rebecca Storm
Adelaide 24 Dec.1845 Joseph&Elizabeth Welty--bapt.10 Feb. God-parent:Elizabeth Storm
Baptism entry is in Latin Feb.1848
Confirmation's Sept. 1818 by Rev. Ambr. Marechal Arbp. of
Confirmation April 1823 by Rev. Ambr. Marechal Arbp. of
4 Feb 1999 Webrene1@aol.com
I found a Joachim STORM and a Jno. NOEL, one above the other in the Bedford County Census of 1810
Joachim Storm is also in the 1820 census of Bedford County, same township. This time it's spelled Joakim STORNE with a * which means the spelling is ??
I made another discovery last night, Roger Brooke Taney also swore into office, none other than honest Abe himself !!
By the way, Joachim STORM is Mary Maggie's brother, she is
8 Feb 1999 "ladyskye" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
I find an entry in the 1800 Census of Frederick County as follows : Election District # 5 Taney Town
NOEL, Regina 1745 - 5 Dec. 1812 ( Taneyt. Luth. 87)
FREDERICK MARYLAND LUTHERAN MARRIAGES
1804 Aug. 10 buried Melchior Tobeler , born the 15th
1804 Sept. 5 buried Juliana Ostertag, born June
I don't imagine this will do you any good, but you never know
I did come across the following in a 1837 Tax List of Carroll
8 Feb 1999 Webrene1@aol.com
1)Bloines Noel built a barn at 100a pt of Landstool in 1798, assd before to Geo. NIPPLE.
2)Boweresock, Geo. A.; pt Unity, 100a, log barn, assd last to Jno. Nowel Note: Jno. stands for John based on the index for John R. Key, in the text it says Jno. Ross Key.
3)Blazon NOEL Pvt. under Capt. Ogle, Samuel, 1 May-5 Jul.1813
Note: 1) and 2) are from "The particular assessment lists for Baltimore and Carrol Counties 1798 by George J.Horvath, Jr.
Note: 3) is from Frederick County Militia In The War of 1812
9 Feb 1999 Webrene1@aol.com
The family of Blasius Noel of Tanneytown In the 1800 Census, looks like:
Peter ca.1790 per M.Waterman book
Christopher died 1819
Jacob ca. 1792 per M.Waterman, and married Barbara O'bold of Joseph O'bold
Blasius I N/A dead
Blasius II 1792- ? (Was In war of 1812)
Caty Feb. 7, 1794 Per M.Waterman book
Henry 1797-1815 died at 18 yrs old.
Mary Magdalene ?
Joseph 1777-1839 per DN
John 1779-1852? (the 1850 census of Derry shows him at 71, Marilyn states 79?)
Blosse should show 1754-1832, that would match St.Jos. entry of 78 yrs old
Mary Ann ??
NOTE: Catherine and Mary Magdalene married the Lansinger &
13 Feb 1999 Webrene1@aol.com
I have a Wm. Arnold married Ann NOEL witnessed by Mike Noel & Ann Arnold
It comes from Early families of York Co. Pa.
Placidus Noel in-laws.
30 Apr 1999 "judyhw" <email@example.com>
Well how about that! For the first time it appears that your Henry D. & my Henry Jr. where not one & the same.
Yours was married to Eliz. Palmer. On the 1850 &
for Derry, my Henry Jr. shows being married to Mary, Mary
I don't know what year he ied. I'll see if I have any info on
though I don't think so. Some of my Henry Jr.s children
Lewis, Eliza, Martha, mary, etc.
12 Feb 1999 Delores Kugler <firstname.lastname@example.org>
In Early Families of York Co., Volume I, page 48, after a description of the Michael Sprenckel family, the following: "Michael (Sprenckel) died in York County, Manchester Township, Pennsylvania in June, 1748. His will was written on June 6, 1748, the same date that George Mayer and Michael Tanner were appointed guardians of Michael's minor children, and
probated on June 10, 1748."
In Digges' Choice, on page 68 is the following:
TRACT #77 "Tanner's Repository"
Michael Danner Sr, Hanover, yeoman; John Schenck, Manheim Twp;
PCS=Pennsylvania Copied Survey
3 Mar 1999 00:09:30 EST Webrene1@aol.com
ABSTRACTS OF YORK COUNTY
Oct.27, 1765 Jun 10, 1766
Noel, John. Executors: Margaret and Nicholas Bettinger.
Paradise Township. Wife: Margaret Noel.
Children: Andrew, John, Peter, Jacob, Nicholas,
Casper and Philip
Oct.19, 1771 Oct.29, 1771
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686 ........... 706......
NOEL.....John..........................71 m Pa $800
Magdalene 64 f Pa
Caulia(Cecelia?) 12 f Pa
Amanuel(Emanuel?) 10 m Pa
Note: These would obviously be Joachim Noel's kids !
17 Apr 1999 Webrene1@aol.com
"The Valley Of The Conemaugh" originally printed in 1865
Reprinted in 1995,
Reprinted Limited to 500 copies of which mine is # 397
This is the book on the Blairsville site that I sent.
It mentions McGUIRES, STORM'S etc. as being among
the first settlers.
A LEVERGOOD tannery is mentioned, and there is a
biography of Prince Gallitzen, and others.
I just finished reading it, and it's pretty good. 206 pages.
Christopher Noel S/O Blasius
24 Apr 1999 Dominic <email@example.com>
From LDS microfilm # 1036090
Christopher Noel died O 30 1819 near Wrightsville while he was hauling logs, a
spring pole broke and hit him on the nape of the neck. Gazetty N 4 1819
N 4 1819 Estate of Christopher Noel of Wrightsville. Esther Noel & Tempest Wilson Adm.
N375 May 14 1822 On petition of Esther, widow of Christopher Noel deceased, Jacob Rehman is appointed guardian of
decedant's minor children all under 14, Catharinre,
Eliza Ann, Mary, and Wm Noel.
J 1 1813 Wm Wright & Deborah his wife: to Jacob Noel: for $150: lot #66 in
S1 1815 Jacob Noel of Wrightsville, yeoman, to Chas. Boddey: for $200 the above lot.
S 22 1813 Henry Newcomer & Elizabeth, his wife, to Christoper Noel & George Green of Columbia for $150, eastern half
lot #89 in Wrightsville.
Ap 23 1814 George Green to Christopher Noel for $137.50 his
1 May 1999
Note that this John P. Noel is not the brother
of Sylvester, Placidus and David as some list
him as. I'm not sure who he is??
Their brother John P. stayed with the same
chick for many years!
It seems there are two Henry Leibengood's in
4 May 1999 Webrene1@aol.com
I have Sylvester died at "Penn Station, Westmoreland County, Pennsylvania" on the 5th of June 1871.
He died of disease contracted while with Co. K. 11th Pa. Vol. Inf. Regiment.after the Civil War.
Married Ellen Storm the 5th of Oct. 1869 at St. Augustine Church in Cambria County by the Rev. Edward Burns, Pastor of St. Augustine. They had no kids, he may have had nieces? taking care of him, cause he was mighty sick, and refused to see a doctor thinking it wouldn't do him any good even though his mother (Mary Brogan Noel) told him to go. (Per his brother Placidus Noel's testimony).
The last mail I saw on this said one of the two girls was
and I suggested at that time that Ellen was probably his wife ! Sounds
like the same Sylvester to me !
18 May 1999 "judyhw" <firstname.lastname@example.org>
This is the info on George I have here Dick Musselman has all
"History of Lehigh County", by Charles Rhoads Roberts, 1914
"Lehigh County Historical Society", Vol.#1, 1908
"History of Egypt Church", by Charles R. Roberts & Rev.
"Lehigh County Historical Society", Vol.#11, 1936
George Livengood and Christian Leibengut took the Oath of
George is reported to have served in Frederick Kuntz's Company
George Leibenguth is listed as an Administrator on 30 Dec.1788
First Reformed Church, Easton, Northampton County, Pa. as
George Leibenguth's estate was filed in Northampton County,
Northampton County, Pa. Orphan Court records, Book #9, p.91:
"Pennsylvania Archives", Series 5, Vol.#8, p.251
"Pennsylvania Archives", Series 5, Vol.#8, p.251
"Pennsylvania Archives", Series 5, Vol.#8, p.251
"Pennsylvania Archives", Series 6, Vol.#3
Pennsylvania Archives, Harrisburg, Pa.
Pennsylvania Archives, Harrisburg, Pa.
"Pennsylvania Archives", Series #5, Vol.4, p.333
"Pennsylvania Archives", Series #5, Vol.4, p.658
"Pennsylvania Archives", Series 3, Vol.#23
Federal Census for 1800, Lehigh Township, Northampton Co., Pa.
Federal Census for 1810, Lehigh Township, Northampton Co., Pa.
George's signature appears on the Administration Bond for his
Northampton County, Pa. Orphan Court, Book D, p.7:
Northampton County Court of Common Pleas, Henry Sperling, Esq.
George is mentioned in the will of Jacob Roth in 1775:
Northampton County, Pa. Will File #1188, Vol.#2, p.4
22 May 1999 Webrene1@aol.com
That tiny little note you sent me that had the number 983
on it...well I sent it to Indiana County and received their
reply today, about 15 pages 8 1/2"X 17" each.
Henry D., George, Mary Ann and Margaret (the widow)
Note that in the inventory/sale, Nathaniel Nesbitt bought
The moral of the story is that the smallest clues
27 May 1999 1 Webrene1@aol.com
Are you sure your "Molly" was "O'brian", and not Molly McBride?
"Ruffners of Pa. and collateral lines"
"The story has been handed down in the family that Molly
This book has pictures of the old Mount Carmel Church (log)
30 Jun 1999 1 Webrene1@aol.com
Margaret Chambers is the wife of Jacob Leibengood (My 3rd gr-grandparents). I've been getting tons of info on them
lately, extremely interesting info. Jacob was shot in the back of his shoulder at the battle of Brandywine. (obviously they were surrounded eh!!) He also served as a sergeant in the Westmoreland County Militia for the last time in 1794 at Reynolds fort/or blockhouse? I think that's what it was.
30 Jun 1999 Webrene1@aol.com
That's correct, Blossy's daughter was Mary Magdalene (Lansinger). And I believe that with the old writing, that Mary M~ Lansinger could easily be misread or miswritten as Mary McLauringen. Note that Lansinger/Linsinger is fairly common in those parts.
19 Sep 1999 1 Webrene1@aol.com
KREITZER Mary E. d/ 14 Apr 1885 @ 19y
KREUTZER Henry d/ 16 Oct 1881 @ 25y
CREITZER, Margaaret (as they spelled it !) d/ 4 Mar 1879 @ 47y.11m
NOEL, George d/ 15 Feb 1887 @ 69y
Francis d/ 29 Jul 1889 @ 36y
O'BOLD, Henrietta d/ 26 May 1882
27 Sep 1999 Webrene1@aol.com
By the way, those NOEL'S/NOLL's were from St. Agnes' Mifflin Twp. Don't forget, my Grandpap Ludovik Weber married one, Mary Noll/Noel, and may even have been named after that Ludovik NOEL
Who are Ludovik and Rosina NOLL?? 1884 and 1888 respectively,
siblings of my grandpap Louis Weber and the children of Johann Heinrich
Weber my great grandpap??
Marianne 30 Sep 1999 13:00:49 EDT Webrene1@aol.com
Sophie BOTT 28, Reinhard GOLDBACH 24, Gerugin MUELLER 18
1851 Bremmen to Baltimore
Sophie,Reinhard and Gerugin (Jurgen?) were going to "Pit"
"Germans to America" Vol. 1 page 488
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